Broad IP camera support, a Raymarine advantage

Ben Stein

Ben Stein

Publisher of Panbo.com, passionate marine electronics enthusiast, completed the Great Loop in 2017.

24 Responses

  1. Gordon Lewandowski says:

    Are there any wireless IP cameras that would work? It’s a lot easier to get a 12v tap in various places on our Bayliner 4788 than it is to pull CAT5 cable.

    Thanks for all that you guys do – very informative and your articles have driven a few purchase directions . . .

  2. I just came across these: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/litmor-battery-cam-ultra-affordable-security-cam

    They’re wifi cameras at a very reasonable price. Using and old iPad mounted in the pilot house is what I’m aiming for using about 4 of them. No wires. Just plug them into a USB port when off the boat. Remount into click min tings when back on board.

  3. Gordon Lewandowski says:

    Extremely reasonable pricing and good design. The few reviews on the Apple App Store for their security light are scathing. But at $100 for two cameras it’s not a huge gamble. I’m waiting to hear back on availability and also on the apps support for video input from multiple cameras. Would be cool if the worked on the Axiom I have installed!

    • Randy Repass Jr says:

      Hi Gordon, what you comment directed at my comment on the indiegogo cameras? I think so. Anyway, they’ve just prolonged their campaign there to ship in late November early December, which is very common for these campaigns. The app on the App Store has an odd rating, as the camera is not yet available. So I’m not sure how they could even test it.

  4. Gordon says:

    Reviews posted about another Litmor product. A motion sensing security camera with floodlights. Not the same product. Just learned that the app doesn’t support spilt screen for multiple cameras. Yet. But they are apparently working on it.

  5. Brian says:

    You can use a 12VDC to 48VDC converter to allow you to use a standard PoE switch on a 12V DC system (eg: https://i.imgur.com/1iLQt6w.jpg )

    Blue Iris is OK, but it can be kind of a resource hog and a bit clunky. I’d look at the free version of Milestone, unless you have more than 8 cameras.

  6. Neziak says:

    Ben, thank you for a great article. I have to expand my network in order to add cameras and I wondered if a Raymarine HS5 is really necessary for networking Raymarine HS components (radar, Axiom, RMK10, etc) or can it be simply substituted by a cheaper unmanaged switch similar to the one that you have for your cameras? All the components would need to be connected using Raynet to RJ45 cables or an equivalent adapter.
    If this solution works, what is the advantage of the HS5 switch over a generic switch?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      I’ve done just that with success previously. Raymarine will tell you the fully supported configuration uses their switch. I think this is mostly because they don’t want to introduce the variability of unknown switches into the network. But, I don’t believe there’s anything special from an Ethernet switching perspective happening within the hs5.

      One thing to consider is a regular Ethernet switch will need to be mounted in a dry location. RJ-45 connectors are very far from weatherproof.

  7. Alex says:

    Hi,
    I was just trying to connect a 3rd Party IP camera (exactly DAHUA HFW1230SP) to my Raymarine Axiom 9″ and it does not work. This camera it’s ONVIF compatible, RTSP, H.264, etc. You said ONVIF must be enabled but in the Raymarine Forum says ONVIF should be disabled: http://forum.raymarine.com/showthread.php?tid=31

    My Axiom recognizes the IP Camera and I can see it’s exact name, but I can’t see the video, only a black screen. It´s configured with anonymous login, H.264 Video Compression, Dynamic IP Adress, etc.
    Looking back into the Raymarine Forum I found a person with the same problem as me but he says that at a previous software version was working just fine: http://forum.raymarine.com/showthread.php?tid=9194&highlight=H.264+camera

    Can you tell me exactly which software version are you using? And which are the models of the Amazon cameras you bought?

    The only thing it worked for me was with an Axis M7011 Encoder (Factory configuration) and an analog camera.

    I’ll be very grateful with your response, and maybe it’s someone with the same problem as me that can tell me his experience.

    Thanks,
    Alex.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Hi Alex,

      That link doesn’t say that ONVIF must be disabled, it says “(ONVIF User Authentication MUST BE DISABLED)”. If you’ve disabled ONVIF it definitely won’t work as that’s how the Axiom is negotiating with the camera. Please turn ONVIF back on but turn user authentication off and let us know if that worked any better.

      -Ben S.

      • Alex says:

        Hi Ben,
        Thanks for your response.
        Sorry, it was my confusion then.
        That’s right, what i’m disabling in my camera is ONVIF User Authentication and it’s not working.
        The strange thing is that the Axiom detects the camera but no image comes out.

        Alex.

        • Brian says:

          You might also want to confirm it is set for 1920×1080 max resolution, and try different (lower) bitrates and framerates. Also try different H.264 encoding options, if possible (I’d recommend Base encoding, not High).

          FWIW, I have found that some cameras just do not work, even though they are ONVIF compliant, support unauthorized streams, etc.

          • Alex says:

            Yes, I’ve tried every configuration you say and it does not work.
            I think it could be some authentication problem with that camera or something. But the strange thing is that I can see the video in the Web Browser without any user or password, just like the Axis Encoder does.

            So, I would be grateful if you tell me some Brand or some Amazon link of any camera that you are sure that works with the Axiom.

    • gregy says:

      hi alex, that was me on the raymarine support site.
      since that time, i changed out the original dahua camera and substituted it with a newer camera, and to date succesuve Lh3 updates seem ok,
      i must say each time i upgade axiom firmware, i cringe in case it again breaks the cameras, so far all good.
      looking back, i can only assume – as i did at the time, it was related to some incompatability with earlier ONVIF versionin camera, and some change made in LH3 – despite raymarine claim no such change was made.
      also FWIW … im using a 4MP camera … but reduce the resolution in camera config,
      and all ok (total 3 cameras).
      similar to others here – im using a separate POE switch (powered by a 24 to 48V DC convertor) for the cameras, and its non POE port connected to raymarine raynet switch.

  8. Keith Pleas says:

    Ben? How is your network configured? I see from your Blue Iris web shot that you’re using 192.168.x.x so it looks like you’re using DHCP from an onboard router for your cameras. But Raymarine says that all their devices uses a Class A address block starting with 10.x.x.x. In particular, I have a joined Ethernet / Raynet network like I think you have, and when I power on a connected IP camera it’s getting a 10.x.x.x address from one of my Axiom MFDs.

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      Keith,

      The PC that is recording sits on two networks with two separate network adapters. I maintain separate networks for each MFD brand on the boat, plus a boat network. The boat network uses 192.168.101.0/24 addressing while the Raymarine network is, as you noted, a 10.x.x.x address space. I’ve removed the default routes for the Raymarine network adapter on the PC so that only next hop traffic is sent on that adapter.

      Hope that helps.
      -Ben S.

      • Neziak says:

        Hi Ben. How do you remove the default routes? I assume this is to reduce traffic on Raynet.

        Another question – have you found a way of injecting internet into Raynet through Ethernet rather than WiFi?

        Neziak

        • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

          Neziak,

          I remove the default route on the Raymarine network adapter because I don’t want the computer to try and reach the internet via the Raymarine network since that network doesn’t have an internet connection. Long ago I tried adding an internet connected device on the Raymarine network but it didn’t work. Tht was many firmware revisions ago and so while it’s possible something has changed I suspect it hasn’t.

          -Ben S.

      • Keith Pleas says:

        Hah! I knew it must be something like that! When I bridged the networks my devices started getting those private IPs – I thought I was losing my mind until I figured out the MFDs had to be supplying them. BTW, for others trying to make this happen I suggest getting the ONVIF Device Manager from SourceForge – make sure you can get the image to display there first before trying to get it to display on the MFDs.

  9. Keith Pleas says:

    Ben – one more question – other than having IP cameras on both networks, what else are you sharing with the Raymarine network?

    • Ben Stein Ben Stein says:

      At present that’s the only link between the two networks. When I first installed the Raymarine network I had a WiFi access point on that network so I could connect a PC easily for debugging (especially as I configured the ONVIF cameras) but over time I found that wasn’t necessary.

      -Ben S.

  10. gregy says:

    I have a similar situation, and when bridging the boat network to raynet, i started to have unexplained lockups and resets on the axiom MFDs ,
    i removed the bridging cable and all ok. so from my experience,
    definitely not a good idea to have an “uncontrolled” beidge.
    hence a method similar to bens to keep the two networks separated needs to be implemented.
    in my case, currently trying to configure a mikrotik to separate majority of traffic, but still allow boat network to reach IP cameras on the raynet… without upsetting their being administered (DHCP etc) by the axiom MFDs ….

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