The state of marine Ethernet connectors, and hello to RayNet

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

22 Responses

  1. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Are ethernet cables also susceptible to vibration in some way Ben? About once a month I need to get to the ethernet Raymarine SeaTalkhs switch, push the cables in and out, to clear the problem. Replacing the cables or using different ports on the hub made no improvement.
    The problem surfaces when the two E-80 MFD’s start alarming complaining they don’t see each other.

  2. Sparky says:

    OneNet please ASAP. Save us from this madness.

  3. Dan, I guess what you’re saying is that you think you have a vibration problem. I’ve not heard of that before, and I’ve never had to re-seat the plugs into the SeaTalkhs switch.
    But note Raymarine’s claim that the RayNet connector “replaces the RJ45 connector with a waterproof vibration tolerant twist pin connector that is designed for the marine environment.”

  4. Karl in NY says:

    Ben, your description of Ethernet cable consisting of four pairs of solid wire is only partially correct, and primarily pertains to bulk cable intended for installations where there is no flexing or movement, like permanentl wiring of a house or business.
    Ethernet patch cables (generally up to 100′ long), have stranded conductors and are far more flexible and durable. I think they are the proper choice for marine use. Many RJ45 crimp-on connectors accept either stranded or solid conductors, but there are also some designed for only one or the other. BTW, the easiest to crimp and get right 100% of the time are the EZ45 brand connectors.

  5. Thanks, Karl! I know bloody little about Ethernet cable varieties, but I do gather that there are preferred types for marine use. It’s hard to find specifics but at least ABS seems to have standards regarding shielding and smoke emissions. These ABS approved Cat 5 and 6 cables seem to be 4 x 2 x 24 AWG unstranded:
    http://www.fscglobal.com/Marine/Marine+Approved+Data+Cables/Marine+Approved+Data+Cables/list.htm
    Maybe an installer out there can tell us what the bulk Garmin cable looks like inside:
    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-water/networking/marine-network-cable/prod1132.html

  6. Compass Marine says:

    Ben,
    The Garmin network cables are 4 twisted pair, shielded, Cat5E, 24AWG stranded, bare copper. The drain wire is tinned.
    I usually use the Platinum Tools EZ-RJPRO HD CRIMP TOOL part #100054 and the shielded EZRJ 45’s part #100020.
    EZRJ 45 #100020
    http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/image/155445373.jpg
    EZ-RJPRO Crimp Tool #100054
    http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/image/155445374.jpg
    RC Collins
    Compass Marine

  7. Thanks, RC! And here are some notes about RayNet connectors from the source:
    “1. Our choice of connectors on RayNet was not just about waterproofing. Vibration resistance was huge consideration too. RJ45 pins are spring loaded and can bounce under high shock or vibration scenarios. The pins in RayNet hold fast and provide solid connectivity even under extreme shock and vibration scenarios.
    2. We designed RayNet to be future proof. The extra cores in the RayNet cable are there to support Gigabit speed Ethernet, and also Power Over Ethernet (PoE). This way the cabling of today is already compatible with the products of tomorrow.”
    I’ll add from reading the manual that port #5 on the HS5 SeaTalkHS switch already supports gigabit speeds so that two switches can be chained together.

  8. Karl in NY says:

    Interesting to see the use of shielded CAT5e as it is quite rare in the US even at large server farms. Twisted pair generally provides better noise immunity than shielding alone, but combining the two adds another layer of protection. I have only installed shielded CAT5e in industrial applications such as CNC machine wiring and process control…never saw it in a business environment, ever.
    Some CAT cable minutia: each of the four twisted pairs are twisted at a different pitch (turns per inch), primarily to eliminate cross-talk between pairs. Various inert filler materials can be used to insure precise spacing of the pairs from each other inside the jacket, a major problem with tight-radius bends, overly- ambitious tightening of cable tie wraps, or allowing cables to sag unsupported.
    CAT6e probably marks the practical end of the evolution of Ethernet cables…higher required speeds will likely continue being done via fiber rather than copper. I think cost (and inertia) is the only thing holding it back for marine data transfer.

  9. Compass Marine says:

    Karl,
    Don’t confuse this level of shielding with what is typical in a VHF cable etc.. It is a simple aluminum/mylar shield, nothing fancy like you’d get in an LMR-400 cable….

  10. Sparky says:

    Clarifying question Ben, apologies if I missed this point …
    The RayNet cables are a Raymarine proprietary design and not based on any available or emerging standard, correct?
    I’m not implying there are not good reasons that this be so. The reasons Ray provided are compelling if there are no COTS available standard connectors.

  11. I could have been clearer about that, Sparky. To the best of my knowledge the RayNet connector is Raymarine’s own design, and I think the orange Navico Ethernet plug is the same story. There seem to be various manufacturers offering the waterproof collaring for standard RJ45 connectors — like this http://goo.gl/zJHweg — but I don’t think they are standardized or necessarily compatible.
    Apparently there are some standard multi-manufacturer waterproof industrial Ethernet connectors, which is where the NMEA OneNet committee is looking. Discussed here: http://goo.gl/M3FH7X They’ll probably be expensive but NMEA is already showing an adaptor to RJ45, which will apparently be allowed in some circustances, and I imagine there might be OneNet to RayNet adaptors, etc.

  12. Tim says:

    All of the connectors shown are catalog-standard from typical manufacturers. The marine electronics folks aren’t really making proprietary connectors, just choosing different vendors and options.
    If you are good with cable assembly (which often requires a significant investment in tools for some of the pin/socket connectors), you can chop off and re-connector pretty much any vendor’s cable (or build your own alternative). This can not only ease the difficulty of running the cables through the boat, but also avoid coils of excess cable piling up in places when the manufacturer’s options don’t match your need.
    It does sometimes take a bit of research to find the right connector match, but the big distributors like Allied, Newark, Mouser and Digikey have a pretty good variety of options. Some of the European connectors are a little more trouble. In most cases, the connectors are typical industrial electronic parts, and are offered in a wide variety of options.

  13. John - gCaptain says:

    When I worked on Oil Rigs we always had a few Electronics Technicians onboard with racks of tools and adapters and the willingness to make me custom adapters, custom extension cords and such… boy do I miss that 😉

  14. Anonymous says:

    FYI
    Note that Garmin makes two different couplers
    Marine Network Cable Coupler
    Part Number: 010-10580-00
    and
    Marine Network Cable PoE Isolation Coupler
    Part Number: 010-10580-10

  15. Bill Charleston says:

    Lowrance sells a cable that plugs (yellow) into their ethernet (NEP-2) or back of any of the higher end MFD’s that have the yellow ethernet plug. The other end accepts an RJ45. They have to have this as their wide band radar cable comes into the boat with an RJ45 which allows you to easily bring it down a sailboat mast.

  16. Thanks, Bill! Actually there are at least three different Yellow Female Navico Ethernet to RJ45 Male adaptors and one is a crossover model, so folks should be careful:
    http://store.navico.com/Simrad-Yachting-Accessories/Simrad-Yachting-Ethernet-Cables

  17. Ben.
    Yet another great article and discussion. As to your question In fact, if you look closely at the RayNet plug you’ll see that it has 10 pins, which is a minor mystery given the Ethernet norm of 8 wires. Does anyone have a guess about what those two extra pins do, or will eventually do?, do you have any answers yet?
    Apparently you found an answer from Raymarine:
    2. We designed RayNet to be future proof. The extra cores in the RayNet cable are there to support Gigabit speed Ethernet, and also Power Over Ethernet (PoE). This way the cabling of today is already compatible with the products of tomorrow.”
    I finally found a good device for lightning surge protection for a CAT6 cable with RJ45 connectors that works for the Raymarine digital radar with a RJ45 network connector. However, if the connector is the new Raynet 10-pin plug then two Raynet-RJ45 adapters are required, and there is still the question as to what the other two connections do. In the digital radar I would guess nothing – yet. The same technique can be used to add surge protection in a Raynet 1Gbit/sec connection between network switches, which is highly desirable if the connection runs say from mast base to the helm, but the 8-line surge protector effectively open circuits the two remaining wires. So when Raymarine decides to use these this technique will be obsolete.
    Does your crystal ball predict when the two extra cores will be used, if ever? It seems to me that fiber optics is the obvious way to get even more bandwidth, and POE has existed for some time.
    Ewen.
    Marine Lightning Protection

  18. Thanks, Ewen! I really don’t know when or what Raymarine will do with those extra cores. But I am fairly certain that the current radars don’t use them. I think the radars are now shipping with RayNet connectors but I used the new RJ45-to-RayNet adaptor with the Ray HD radome I’ve testing for years and it worked fine. This weekend I used the same adapter with a FLIR M-Series thermal camera, also worked fine.
    Of course I’m curious about the Ethernet surge protector you like, as other readers may be. Also enjoyed poking around your site and the extensive lightning research done by your twice-hit-but-little-damaged protection client Domino:
    http://www.dominocatamaran.blogspot.com
    (search “lightning”)

  19. Sparky says:

    Bump.
    I’ve got an issue re: running a Navico Ethernet cable through a steering pedestal (Zeus2 to NEP-2 connection).
    Navico connector will not fit. Cable will have to be cut. I’m heading towards a solution of connecting an rj45 to the cut end, then using the Navico rj45 to Ethernet adapter (connection will be below decks and relatively sheltered) .
    Good plan? Alternative?

  20. That, or just put RJ45 connectors on both cut ends and use an RJ45 coupler. You can even get waterproof ones. Or if you want to be on the leading edge, use D-coded M12 connectors which are an industrial Ethernet standard.
    http://www.iebmedia.com/index.php?id=5873&parentid=63&themeid=255&showdetail=true
    It’s also discussed in other Panbo entries.

  21. hubert says:

    The M12 4p D-coded and M12 8p X-coded (Gb) are pretty standard for factory equipment. Those are as well the connectors proposed for OneNet.
    Humminbird is using another variant for their Ethernet bus (MFD, Sounder, Radar):
    M12 8p A-coded.
    Just to add an animal more to the zoo…
    Hubert

  22. Peter Kissam says:

    I bet the 2 extra wires (10pin – rj45(8)= 2. Probably system-wide ‘power on/off’ signal to all network nodes….I2c ?

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