Raymarine LightHouse II, the paper chart lives on

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

21 Responses

  1. Some people think that only old folks like digital raster charts, and who am I to argue? (Heck, I turned 67 today!) But isn’t there more value to the hand-drawn chart than just the fact that many of us used them when we first went boating?

  2. Raster or vector, choice is good. In fact, the ONLY chart I’ve found so far that properly portrays the channel and entrance marks at Emeryville, CA (my home port) is the NOAA raster chart. All of the others have the marks offset (though the channel is properly depicted, which looks odd). I really should send Navionics a note about it, I guess.
    This looks like a really significant upgrade to me..:-)

  3. A Pickering says:

    I like to look at the raster charts for planning but after 3 seasons of using A Garmin chart plotter I prefer the vectors while underway., but I’m only 66. Cheers Al

  4. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    Are the i70 displays affected by the new menu system?

  5. I don’t know, Dan, but isn’t the i70 menu system already quite different than what’s on the MFD’s?
    What has happened in recent LightHouse updates is that some of the fancy i70 instrument screens can now be called up on the MFD’s, and I was told that one major reason for the new databar auto-hide feature is that some people are using the a65 primarily as an instrument display. It wouldn’t make sense on some boats because of the extra power and ethernet cables, but for not much more money you get a 1.7-inch bigger screen and a backup full-featured MFD that can even handle IP video.
    Incidentally, there’s a video LightHouse II demo here:
    http://www.sportfishingmag.com/boats/video-raymarine-s-new-lighthouse-ii-interface

  6. Dan Corcoran (b393capt) says:

    I don’t have a recent MFD (E-80 still going strong) to compare too. The i70 menu system is described in the manual as having the lighthouse user interface, as does the Ray website which reads “New LightHouse user interface is simple and quick to use”.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Wouldn’t it be great if the new Lighthouse II also utilized ActiveCaptain for crowd sourcing data. A real win for everyone!

  8. Adam says:

    Hartley, what do you mean by “offset”? Emeryville is also our home port and both of our plotters seem to accurately depict the channel. One chart is Jeppesen C-MAP on Furuno NN3D and the other is ENC on Rose Point. I’d be curious to see how ours differ from yours.
    As an aside, for us raster charts are totally useless for anything except getting an overview of an intended route. The fact that the labels and soundings don’t rotate when you are not viewing the chart north up (or heading north) adds dramatically to the cognitive load of figuring out what the plotter display is telling you while underway.
    /adam

  9. Adam, I am using Navionics Silver, and all three sets of marks are displaced significantly East and slightly South of their actual location. The outer pair is the furthest off, the last two that mark the turn are only off a little. I initially thought it might have been an issue with them being private aids, but when I looked at the NOAA raster charts (using RayMarine’s Voyage Planner program), they were depicted in the correct place.
    Every other significant point I’ve passed has been pretty much where it was supposed to be (the end of the Berkeley Pier, for example) so this may be just an isolated flaw.

  10. Rick R says:

    This is certainly a step in the right direction. No longer will Raymarine customers be saddled with overpriced and underfeatured proprietary “charts”, Of course, iPad users have had access to free NOAA charts for years.

  11. Paul says:

    Difficulty in locating zoom dependent navaids in Nantucket Sound and Vineyard Sound has turned me to a fan of raster.
    Also happy to see Ray going to GPX format. High time the industry move to a single, portable format for waypt, route, track data.

  12. Well, it may have been due out in December, but as of this morning, it finally is! Also includes something called “Lighthouse Charts” from Raymarine, but I haven’t learned enuff to comment on that yet..:-)

  13. Free Raymarine U.S. Lighthouse charts are out:
    http://www.raymarine.com/lighthousecharts/
    Hartley, these are the NOAA raster and vector charts discussed in the entry, just reformatted to display well on Ray a,c,e and gS-Series MFDs.
    To use the charts, owners need the Lighthouse 9.4 update, which is here:
    http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=3764

  14. Hi Ben, Yep – already downloaded a bunch of ’em (lotsa gigs, took a couple hours). I won’t be back on the boat for another month or so to try the update and charts out, unfortunately.

  15. Jeremy says:

    I just finished a trip to La Paz to visit our boat. One of my projects was to upgrade my e125 and e165 to the new Lighthouse II. The upgrade went off without a hitch and the raster charts are cool.
    A big disappointment is that Raymarine still has not followed the lead of other MFD manufacturers and allowed the use of an existing wi-fi ssid. (Requiring the use of a dedicated Raymarine wi-fi network.)
    I gave the Fusion link feature on the E165 a try and it it works well, but I had to disconnect my Fusion 700 from my router and of course, my Fusion apps can not connect anymore. And if I want to use my Ray Control app, I have to switch from the boat ssid to the Raymarine ssid. (And go offline.)
    Am I the only customers that thinks this is a big deal?

  16. Really great to see you pop up on Panbo again, Jeremy!
    I don’t think that you’re the only boater with this issue, but I fear it’s also a scary deal for the manufacturers. To my knowledge only Furuno lets their TZT Touch work with their viewing and control apps through a boat’s WiFi router.
    Navico does publish guidelines for how to set up your own router to work with their GoFree but they look complicated and I think they position the guidelines as only appropriate for people with deep IT experience. In other words, I think, please don’t call tech support about this.
    Meanwhile Maretron changed their whole N2KView architecture to protect it from boat router issues, and protect themselves from having to solve problems they didn’t create.
    http://www.panbo.com/archives/2014/01/maretron_n2kview_prices_slashed_architecture_improved_and_bnwas.html
    In short, this is a tricky area.
    But on a jollier note, I’m hearing about some exciting new ways Raymarine and Navionics are going to use WiFi, and I’ll be at the press conference next Thursday.

  17. Jeremy says:

    Thanks Ben
    After living through a generation (or two) of horrible NMEA 2000 hardware, I would be the first to laud the manufacturer’s new commitment to stability. 🙂
    What I think Raymarine should offer is the option to use an existing ssid–with all the appropriate warnings.

  18. Adam says:

    Jeremy, I agree, it catches me out all the time. I forget I’m on Raymarine Wifi then I go to try to get an email and I can’t until I switch off Wifi and use 3G (or if docked, another Wifi network). What might be nice is some kind of prompt when exiting Ray Control that would ask you if you wanted to switch networks and make it easier to do so. It could take you to wifi settings, or switch wifi off (to activate 3G) at the very least.

  19. Good news on Raymarine WiFi. Both the MFD product manager and new General Manager want to support onboard routers. They brought it up, but no timeline.

  20. Anonymous says:

    When the Fusion 700 is connected to the e165 via ethernet, you should be able to use the Fusion-Link app on your tablet while connected to the e165’s Wi-Fi network.

  21. Cool…another choice of “paper charts” for electronic displays: Fugawi is out with Fugawi Onboard, a $195 three SD card bundle of all U.S. and Canadian raster charts that runs on many Navico MFDs:
    http://store.fugawi.com/collections/fugawi/products/fugawi-aboard-us-canada
    The same charts are also available to download in smaller increments at the Insight Store:
    https://insightstore.navico.com/site/insight_charts/22
    With nv Charts already available, Navico users have two choices for U.S. rasters, though neither is free.

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