Garmin GMR 604 xHD, hand’s on

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

10 Responses

  1. davev says:

    Ben-
    I dont think the weaker returns outside of the breakwater are from waves. They are too discrete and if you look closely you can see copies of targets that are INSIDE the breakwater.
    I believe that you are seeing “multiple time around” targets and targets reflected to the radar from the wall and off the water. Look carefully at the wall – its impossible to see through the wall but targets are showiing up immediately beside the outside of the wall. Where is the radar shadow cast by the breakwater on the water on the far side?
    You have the gain up so high that the reflections of targets inside the wall that are scatteredback to the water and then to the radar or appear on the second pulse train set – appear as being twice the range they really are and end up projected to the far side of the wall.
    The entrance to the bay must also have waves – but none are seen – they only appear on the far side of the wall – suggesting the wall is reflecting target returns from inside the wall back to the radar at longer distances due to the longer time delays. The targets outside the wall are also weaker than those inside the wall – suggesting the power loss of the extra reflections.

  2. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Thanks, Dave, but who said anything about waves??? I said the light blue and green returns on the other side of the breakwater was “noise” not waves. We agree! And I checked; there was nothing much out there but flat water and fog.
    Incidentally, the xHD was in auto gain mode with all filters off. Pretty impressive I think. Note how well the pier and floats east (right) of the breakwater are images. The retun strength by color also shows on the eastern shore which is low and soft (while the western one is steep and hard).

  3. Quitsa says:

    I don’t wish to fall into “brand loyalty blindness” but the screen shots look an awful lot like what my two year old Furuno 4′ 6kW “UHD” open array shows on a NavNet 3D, though there seem to be more artifacts on the Garmin image. Is the issue that Garmin consumer radar has finally caught up to what others have had in the market already? The Garmin unit seems available about 10% cheaper than the comparable Furuno array, which is good of course.

  4. Chuck Wayne says:

    Ben,
    The latest version of the Simrad broadband radar software automatically speeds up the radome to 36 rpm at close ranges for faster refresh. Makes a real difference in a fast moving environment.
    Chuck

  5. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    You’re not blind, Quitsa! In fact, I would guess that Garmin feels complimented that xHD looks like UHD. I know that several product managers at other Furuno competitors think of UHD as the benchmark. And I’m still amazed at the raw performance and feature set they managed to squeeze into even the little 19″ UHD radome.
    I don’t like rankings but if I had to, I’d generalize radar quality in Furuno, Raymarine, Garmin order…with Garmin catching up, as discussed here, and with Simrad/Lowrance Broadband the odd duck that’s better than the rest in some ways, worse in others. I’d have to add the caveat that I’m not very familiar with the Koden scanners that are sold as Simrad/Lowrance HD, and under many other brands like Nobeltec, Rose Point, Si-Tex, Standard, etc.
    And there’s the giant caveat that you’re almost invariably buying one of these scanners as part of a system that includes chart plotting and a whole lot more. And it’s impossible to rank MFDs, as I discussed in 2009 when I compared several of these “whateverD” radars:
    http://www.panbo.com/archives/2009/09/18_radomes_5_the_3nm_no-one-best-of_edition.html
    PS Thanks for the reminder, Chuck. I agree that the auto speed feature on the BR24 is nice, and expecially so as it was a gift to early adopters.

  6. Quitsa says:

    Most of us do not have the opportunity to do the hands-on side-by-side comparisons that you can Ben so it is great to have your observations.
    It would be interesting to see how the Garmin xHD does on the “styrofoam cup test.” One especially calm morning, I was running up Vineyard Sound near my home in thick fog and spotted a small target up ahead on my Furuno system. I assumed it was a lobster pot float but was astonished to see one of those oversize styrofoam drink cups floating proud as I closed on the target. The Furuno UHD is indeed a great product. I can pick up flocks of birds at 4-6 miles, which is pretty amazing for a 6kW system with only a 4 foot array.

  7. Dan Freedman says:

    And there I was thinking I had wonderful electronics with a set of Garmin 5212’s on my boat. I wouldn’t mind upgrading to 7212 versions, but at $5k each and with no upgrade path from my 5212’s other than simply removing and replacing, I’m cautious. Actually, what I’m left wondering is “Gee, if I do this upgrade, how long until I have to do it again when they come out with some feature that the 7xxx won’t support. Anyone know how I can get to a 7xxx from a 5xxx without going the “remove and replace” path? I don’t think Garmin gives credit for old machines. I’m not trying to whine, but the lack of upgrade path is frustrating.

  8. abbor says:

    Strange that Garmin 4xxx and 5xxx can’t support true color radar. Raymarine E Classic can when paired with a HD or SHD scanner.
    Ben, have you ever had the possibility to compare Raymarine SHD and Furuno UHD open array? Raymarine is doing some very advanced signal processing to reduce the beam width down to 1 degree in these radars.

  9. Birdman says:

    By the looks of that first image, the power is set WAY to high. The tell-tale sign is the elongated targets. Turn the power down to an appropriate lower setting at such a close range, and most of that noise will dissapear, the elongated returns will flatten out, and the entire image would be much crisper.

  10. Gabriel says:

    Hi Guys,

    Just checking if anyone is selling their Garmin GMR 604 xHD,
    Thanks
    Gabriel

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