Fuel management part one, Garmin

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

Panbo editor, publisher & chief bottlewasher from 4/2005 until 8/2018, and now excited to have Ben Stein as very able publisher, webmaster, and editing colleague. Panbo is going to the next level in 2019 and beyond.

16 Responses

  1. norse says:

    I like the idea, but I don’t understand the minimum flow rate of the sensors. 2 gal/hr for diesel would be about 33 hp. Does the boat’s engine burn that much while idling? My engine doesn’t burn that much at full load. Do somebody make sensors suitable for small diesel engines?

  2. Yeah what he said… really I mean that.

  3. Bob Mueller says:

    OK, I have a question: If I have a GFS 10 connected to a GMI 10 via NMEA 2000, can I supply the GMI 10 with GPS information via NMEA 0183 and have the GMI 10 calculate and display the economy information?

  4. Joe Ferrara says:

    norse,
    I think Ben was stating that the minimum flow rate that the GFS 10 (suitable for gasoline use only) can sense is 2 gal/hr.
    The only source for diesel fuel flow devices on the market right now is FloScan. Their website (http://www.floscan.com) has a great tool that will help select which senders (forward and return flow) are appropriate for your specific engine model. FloScan has sensors for a VERY WIDE range of engines.
    Joe

  5. John Ford says:

    Also many of the new Tier II and later motors have the Canbus interface on it. I’m working on using the maretron J1939 bridge which will convert that Canbus info to NMEA 2000. The end result will be gph, temp, rpm, etc all on my Navnet 3d whenever it comes.
    Here’s the link to the bridge.
    http://www.maretron.com/products/j2k100.php

  6. I am fitting the nmea 2000 floscan system to the navnet 3d system i installed the other week.
    Shall post how it goes and what looks like !
    Andy

  7. norse says:

    Right, Floscan has sensors for diesels from 25 to 6000 hp. Their minimum flow rate is 1 L/h or 0.3 gph.

  8. Filip says:

    Does not Lowrance feature this as well? I have just bought a lcx-27 with a nmea 2000 fuel flow sensor. But I have not yet found the “economy” in the instruments.

  9. Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

    Filip, Lowrance does a terrific job with fuel management, and can display miles per gallon (“economy”) for individual engines, and total.

  10. Bill says:

    What happens with the Garmin system if you are burning less than two gallons per hour? Doesn’t
    sound good for accurate fuel management.
    Most (smaller boats anyway) burn less than
    2 gph trolling. Mine burns around one.
    I have the Lowrance system that will get dowm
    to about 1/2 gallon per hour.

  11. Peter says:

    As to the less-than-2GPH sensing: the GFS10 will read below that, down into .2GPH and below, but I think the accuracy falls way off below the 2GPH number. Correct me if I’m wrong Ben, but I think 2GPH is the lowest rate Garmin will stand by. On Slancha the gage is still not fully calibrated, and the sensor was “field engineered” last year because it read half when the tank was empty (ran out of gas the first day out in the new boat). We pulled the sending unit and bent the float lever arm until the gage roughly matched the tank level, which got me through the season, but there’s more work to do there. I will install a better (NMEA2K) sending unit when I figure out which is the right one. Overall I’m very happy with all the new Garmin gear on the boat, most of it worked nearly perfect right out of the box, needing only minor tweaking. A really complete system for a reasonable price, and great support from Garmin and Panbo.

  12. Sandy says:

    Two outboard engines on a small cruising cat is fairly common, found on PDQs, Seawinds, Mainecats, some Gwmini, and others. We are just as concerned about fuel consumption as others, so I hope that some enterprising manufacturer is exploring flow sensors for the half-gallon-an-hour crowd too!

  13. Norton Rider says:

    I’m not bothered about the lack of accuracy since I do my fuel planning based on many trials of time and distance vs. fuel used to fill up the tanks. I do not rely on fuel level or fuel used gauges to plan a trip.
    I use an economy display in NM/Gal to determine the relative fuel economy of various RPM/Trim combinations. Being able to see in real time the effect of changes is great, especialy on a boat with a planing hull.
    Raul

  14. Peter says:

    On the “squeeze every gallon” front, I recently installed a Sting Ray hydrofoil on Slancha’s Honda 130, bolting it to the lowest cavitation plate as per the instructions. Though the manufacturer’s claims were obviously bogus (40% better fuel economy, 10+kts more speed etc.), I was really curious about the lower planing speeds offered. I’m happy to report the lower planing speeds are impressive, but I acutally lost about 4kts and 2-400rpm off the top end (where I rarely run anyway). The best part is the total lack of bow rise from dead stop to full throttle. This has effectively opened up that previously plowing speed range (7-13kts) as usable for cruising, allowing some fuel saving and possible dinghy towing not possible before. Well worth the $50.00 and four holes drilled in the motor. I also noticed appreciable lift to the stern in chop, with less “wallowing” and I think overall more efficient (and comfortable) running.
    As a confessed Panbot and tinker-er, who can’t leave well enough alone, I’m considering “improvements” to the design and installation of the wing. I’ve got a nice piece of fiberglass coach roof cut out from my hatch that will make fine experimental hydrofoil stock…
    Peter

  15. Les says:

    I think I can speak as to the inaccuracy of the GFS10 at 1000 miles)- obviously not accurately measuring the flow. Now on plane, it seemed to be plausable at say 3.5 to 3.7 mpg and cruise of 140-150.

  16. John says:

    Regarding the Garmin GFS 10 fuel flow sensor, others have said that once the turbine is spinning, after throttling up to at least 2 GPH, it will continue turning and indicating flows of less than 0.5 GPH which is comparable to Lowrance fuel flow sender. My engines are tiny; therefore, I need some accuracy at engine speeds below 2000 RPM.
    Is it true that the turbine will keep spinning and indicating flows far below Garmin’s specs of 2 GPH?
    Any help appreciated since I would prefer to stay with Garmin if possible and not have to buy a whole new Lowrance system.

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