Dedicated Depth display, NMEA 2000 the best way?

Ben Ellison

Ben Ellison

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14 Responses

  1. sunnycoastgreg says:

    having just gone thru a similar process, I do agree with Ben.
    A dedicated (larger) display for depth becomes an immediate “go to” for this most important peice of info… which otherwise can often get lost amongst the many items displayed on the MFD.
    And with the newer “3D” and like “multi sensor” requirements, I replaced the older single transducer with a double setup to optimise side/3D vision – by reusing the old transducer thru hole position for one of the transducers.
    Also – for those of us with flybridge and lower helm positions, the ease and flexibility offered by an N2K based depth sounder for dual helm displays – certainly adds flexibility.

    One point that could be valid for a “single sensor/dedicated” depth system : when at anchor and trying to minimise power consumption, being able to turn off N2K network and MFDs & just enable a dedicated depth display will definitely have a lower power consumption. – particularly with larger MFDs and complex N2K networks with higher LENs.

  2. I think I would tend to agree with you, Ben – I can see a dedicated depthsounder system for a very small vessel – for a runabout or daysailer, for example – where the criteria might be convenience of mounting, ruggedness of the display and low power drain. But on a larger cruising boat, the utility of having a depth display at multiple locations far outweighs other considerations. Having now installed an instrument in the aft stateroom, I wouldn’t want to be anchored without having depth visible to me at any hour day or night 🙂 . In the cockpit, having depth on both a standalone display and on the MFD is also very convenient.

  3. Norm Miller Norm Miller says:

    Ben
    Every conversation on depth sounders seem to concentrate on the ability to read deep depth with little or no conversation on the units that will accurately shallow depths (less than 5 feet). Our boat drafts just 3 foot and we would like to find an N2K depth transducer to thru-hole (or in hull, we now have an Airman P79 that blanks out at 5ft under the keel) that will accurately measure under 6 feet. Maybe a pole over the side is the only option…. for reading shallow water depths. But given the technology of today there has to be a better way?

    Thanks
    Quiet Company
    Great Harbour GH47

    • Colin A says:

      Back when I used to work at small inland boat dealerships I played with lots of cheap fishfinders, I found lots of the humminbird and some of the garmin units did pretty well in really shallow water as low as 2-3 ft. I would assume they may have gotten better since then since lots of the bass guys spend lots of time in the shallows, and that’s the biggest market. I know lots of the small trailer sailor guys also run fishfinders for that reason. A family member picked up a Humminbird Helix for his 19′ sailboat but we haven’t had a chance to install and test it yet.

      • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

        Colin, I think that a lot of sailors also like to see the depth trend you get with a fishfinder display, which is why I like those instrument depth over time graphics I showed in the entry.

    • Ben Ellison Ben Ellison says:

      Hi Norm, I’m wondering if that P79 is working right. I rarely go in waters under 5 feet deep but don’t recall any thru-hull NMEA 2000 or fishfinder transducers failing at that depth, and they’re closer to the bottom by 1.5 to 2.5 feet. Right now, that’s five transducers on Gizmo.

      • Norm Miller says:

        Ben
        Thanks for the Reply! My present Sounder is an Airmar P79 In-Hull Transducer. It connect to our N2K Maretron Backbone. In talking with Airmar they indicate that the issue is that at shallow depths, the reply from the sounder hitting the shallow bottom comes back faster than the sounder can switch from “Send” to “Receive”. But Since I’m shooting through the solid fiberglass thick hull of our Great Harbour, A thru-hull transducer “Should” have a quicker transition and there-by read a lower depth. They suggest a Airmar DT-800. Given your comments it make sense to me.

  4. evan says:

    I don’t think this is an either / or question. Redundancy is your friend.

    Knowing the depth at all times – even at anchor demands redundancy.

    In my single helm Nordic Tug 37, I have three Depth sounders:

    One Airmar through-hull transducer that feeds the Furuno TZT15 Plotter and the laptop via NMEA 2000. (I turn the plotter off at night at anchor as it is quite bright and draws significant amount of power.

    I have a standalone Raymarine Dragonfly 5 with its own through-hull transducer that displays bottom detail and depth. This is always on when we are out

    The final backup is a simple Faria shoot through the hull sounder that is placed further aft and displays depth below the keel.

    When underway, I prefer to have the Chart plotter and Radar displayed as a 2 pane split screen with the Airmar transducer depth as a simple numeric on the MFD. The Raymarine gives me the graphical display and my at a glance bottom picture.

    This setup allows for 2 sounders to be on at all times with minimal draw and should the NMEA 2000 or any one of these fail, I have backup. I can also get a depth value closer to the stern. When swinging at anchor or stern tied in tight anchorages, I have a better sense of how much clearance I have aft.

    I do think there is still a role for the standalone simple transducer.

    -evan

  5. Leslie Troyer says:

    I have had the N2K network fail. In my case it was an early life failure of a N2K to Wi-Fi adapter. First indication was slow updates on my i70’s followed by a hard turn to port from the pilot. Once relieved of helm duty I quickly found the offending device – it was extremely hot, and de powered the network, but didn’t consume enough to blow the recommended fuse. Once removed, everything came alive immediately. The vendor replaced (with N2K connector rather than SeaTalkNG) it promptly and works great ever since.

    I won’t say they never go down, but they are easy to remove devices and start working with out rebooting. This is a big plus in rapid troubleshooting.

    My network is slightly bigger than most with ~15 devices currently connected.

  6. Joel says:

    I networked my ancient ST60 to my Seatalk/NG network in about 10 minutes. One transducer, many displays.

  7. Bruce Balan says:

    Hi Ben,
    One item overlooked in the discussion above is the incredibly useful depth alarm that most dedicated depth sounders have. I recently upgraded my depth display from my older Navman package to Garmin NMEA 2000 GNX 20 & 21 with an Airmar DST800. I was very surprised when I found there is no depth alarm! As full-time cruisers, we are at anchor most of the time and setting shallow and deep alarms provides extra safety in conjunction with an anchor alarm. The shallow alarm is also something I count on when navigating near coasts or entering an anchorage. I mounted the GNX 21 next to my bunk so I can monitor to depth at night. That any company would sell a transducer and depth display that doesn’t have an alarm is unfathomable to me (pun intended). Luckily, I also purchased a GMI 20 to use for displaying wind and I am able to set the depth alarm on that display… although it takes a ridiculous 9+ button pushes to set or disable it. Unfortunately the alarm only beeps at the GMI 20 at the helm and not at the GNX 21 near my bunk. The Garmin instruments have some nice features but there are several glaring design flaws. Another example being that the depth trend graph is completely backward making that piece of data useless and potentially dangerous. Oh, to be able to test drive instruments in the real world before buying… Better yet, to have design engineers who actually cruised with their creations.
    Cheers,
    Bruce
    s/v Migration

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