Sabre 66: excellence in digital switching and control

... written for Panbo by Ben Ellison and posted on Apr 17, 2017

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Frankly, there's no plan behind the Panbo trend of more detailed entries posted less often, but sometimes it does seem like a feature rather than a bug. For instance, Sabre gave me a long and impressive systems tour of their first Dirigo 66 while she beautifully occupied this slip at Yachts Miami Beach 2016, and while I didn't intend to delay the write-up this long, last week I got aboard just-launched hull #3 the day before heading from Maine to Florida at about 25 knots. So I have additional detail on how well the original system design has worked out - also impressive...

Sabre_66_hull_3_w_Fly_Bridge_Rockland_4-17_cPanbo.jpgI also saw this new Sabre 66 in an entirely different environment. Hull #1 was not only boat show perfect, but also primped for the owner's first night aboard, while hull #3 was just two days wet and crawling with builders and technicians working on their last punch lists. You can see how elaborately equipped (and crafted) these yachts are on these Sabre 66 Salon Express (SE) pages, but this is the first Fly Bridge model -- it looks great, I think -- and online 66 FB details are in the works.

For a good sense of how this semi-custom series performs, read Peter Janssen's fine Sabre 66 Dirigo review for PMY. In fact, the gentleman installing hull #3's anchor above is the same full service Down East Yachting broker David Jirikovic who picked Peter up in St. Augustine, Florida, for the last leg of hull #1's six-day delivery from this same Rockland, Maine, marina. That was in January, though, and Jirikovic did not get to pick a weather window for that trip either.

Even in April, charging down the East Coast at 25 knots takes a strong and able vessel, but Sabre 66 #3 -- which could also be designated 66 FB #1 -- did it in style. I'll report more on that below, but first let's look at the electrical systems.

MV_Dirona_power_panel_cPanbo.jpgWell, first let's look at what's NOT on a Sabre 66. This is the main circuit panel on the just profiled 2010 Nordhavn 52 M/V Dirona, and while the 66 does have several small breaker panels distributed around the vessel, the switching is mostly done using a Mastervolt BEP CZone digital system. But both vessels -- different as they are in both performance goals and switching systems -- have similarly large equipment arrays for creature comfort, safety, and fun, including many lights and many pumps.

Note the color coded cable ties on some of Dirona's circuit switches. I didn't discuss them with the Hamiltons, but I've seen similar markings on many large breaker panels. They are handy visual reminders representing operational modes. The lavender circuits, for instance, look like systems they'd want on when underway and off when not. Incidentally, James Hamilton said that if they'd had Dirona built more recently, she would probably have a distributed power system with digital switching.

Sabre_66_CZone_app_cPanbo.jpgSo here's some of the Sabre 66's virtual "breaker panel" as seen in the CZone iPad app. For the photo I should have turned on a salon light or two so you could see how they look on the mimic graphic, but it makes sense that they all start off in Day Cruising mode.

The 66 comes stock with two iPad minis, each mounted in this slick magnetic LaunchPort BaseStation with inductive charging (and more iPads can be added). Sabre engineer Tom Anderson -- who showed me around hull #3, and who also appears in Peter Janssen's PMY story as he fueled hull #1 in St. Augustine using this tablet app while on deck -- told me that the LaunchPort held the iPad secure even while pounding into eight foot seas.

Note that you can swipe the app left and right to show other sections of the vessel along with their relevant switches. Note, too, that there's much more monitoring available than what's shown above, not just because CZone can sense the current passing through each DC circuit, but also because the 66 uses numerous CZone Signal Interfaces (like the one that continues to faithfully mind Gizmo's tank levels), and because flowing with the CZone data is everything else on the boat's extensive NMEA 2000 network.

You can also easily switch CZone modes using the tabs at the top of the main app screen above, but let's look closer at this major feature.

Sabre_66_hull_3_Czone_iPad_mode_screen_cPanbo.jpgHere is the app's dedicated Modes screen, which lets an owner or captain determine which modes will be easily available on this iPad. The modes themselves were created by Sabre engineers using CZone's PC configuration program, and I was impressed to learn in Rockland that so far there's been no need to rebuild a mode or add a new one either to fix an issue or satisfy a customer request. Then again, I know that Sabre learned its way up through smaller and less critical CZone switching systems, and also that a great deal of thinking went into the first 66.

Sabre_66_hull_1_Dave_Newcomb_Miami_cPanbo.jpgThis is former Sabre engineering manager (and skilled systems thinker) Dave Newcomb, who showed me around hull #1 in Miami. If I were a 66 owner, I might be a little concerned that Dave decided he'd endured enough Maine winters, but in fact he's working in Florida for Power Products -- the company that owns Mastervolt, BEP, CZone, Marinco, Ancor, Blue Seas, ProMariner and, most recently, Lenco Marine -- and Tom Anderson says it's great for the Sabre team to have Dave on the supplier side of the systems equation. (And it's probably also good for other boatbuilders.)

Sabre is squared away in this regard, but I do think that specific technical teams are quite important to digital switching reliability, at least at this relatively early stage. All sorts of good marine electricians could troubleshoot an issue on a vessel set up like Dirona, for instance, but if something odd does go wrong with a 66, it may well take the network of Sabre and CZone techs to figure it out.

The photo above also shows hull #1's helm, which features four large Garmin MFDs and not much else, thanks in part to the digital switching. Only the righthand MFD is stock on the 66, as it provides the helm's CZone interface as well as deep integration with the yacht's twin Volvo Penta IPS drive and D13 engine systems. Owners can fit a 66 with any navigation system they want, but so far they've all chosen Garmin.

Sabre_66_hull_3_Garmin_switch_screen_not_yet_customized_cPanbo.jpgSo here's CZone switching on Hull #3's main helm Volvo Penta/Garmin Glass Cockpit MFD -- there's another one on the flybridge -- and Tom showed me how easy it was to add the CZone interface to the other Garmin MFDs as they were installed. And it's worth noting that these interfaces are integrated but independent. Enabling a mode or switch on one display shows on all displays, but a failed display doesn't affect system integrity. In the same vein, a CZone replacement module can autolearn its duties as long as its dip switch ID is set properly.

This particular MFD CZone screen is not set up by Sabre and is probably no longer just the alphabetical list of switches seen above. That's because Garmin allows easy user customization of the switch pages -- for instance, the full switch names migrate from the configuration program throughout the system -- and this boat's regular captain served as mate for the Florida delivery, where I imagine the owner is also receiving system guidance from David Jirikovic if desired.

Sabre_66_hull_3_Czone_Garmin_AC_control_screen_cPanbo.jpgI also watched Tom Anderson expertly teach #3's captain about this CZone AC control screen. While it's highly automated if you want it to be -- intelligently switching between shore power and generators, and paralleling loads, as needed -- simply tapping a manual command, like turning that Parallel switch off, also makes Auto Change Over inactive. Good to know, and another example of the importance of people like Tom to this technology.

And while this sort of system control and automation is very useful, particularly on a large yacht like this that can be owner operated, Sabre did not put everything under CZone digital control. For instance, the electric salon doors can only be opened from the remote displays, not closed, and, in fact, the power system for the main aft doors is completely standalone with just a simple and dispensible interface for the CZone "open" command.

Sabre_66_hull_1_main_panel_cPanbo.jpgThis "main" breaker panel in the salon shows other 12, 24, and inverter circuits that would not benefit much from CZone control. In some cases, like the VHF radios, it's simply wise to keep the power sourcing simple. Note, also, the BEP remote battery switches and the plethora of 12v network power circuits. Both Newcomb and Anderson emphasized how much engineering went into the 66's NMEA 2000 network, and I believe that their techniques are applicable to smaller N2K systems with issues.

For one thing, they believe in conservative node management, which means providing about every 30 CZone modules (and other N2K nodes) with their own backbone section separated by a Network Bridge and fed by its own power cable. The bridges help to keep the data clean throughout the overall network and the sectioned power feeds prevent voltage drops. Moreover, the backbone sections on a Sabre 66 have three sources of 12v power, all of which can be left on because they're isolated and switch over automatically.

This "belt and suspender" engineering has changed a little to accommodate added circuits, like for the flybridge, and toward an even easier-to-understand main panel. The photo above is hull #1, but on #3, which has four N2K node group sections, the ACM 12v feeds which provide switching current to the CZone AC panels are relocated to the engine room, which is where we're now headed.

Sabre_66_hull_engine_room_detail_cPanbo.jpgLooking aft in the 66's capacious engine area, there's a CZone Output Interface (OI) neatly labeled with the six circuits it controls. There are six blade fuses in that IO that can override the digital switching, but according to Anderson this backup feature has only been required to run the engine room fans on 66 #2, a situation that was soon fixed with a system reboot (and he added that hull #1 has already logged 700 hours).

Alongside the OI is a CZone Switch Control Interface so that devices like that bilge pump can have a reassuring physical switch with LED indicator at the helm(s). CZone also watches each bilge pump's automatic operation and alarms if one runs more than two minutes.

But note that the high bilge water sensor visible is part of a GOST remote monitoring system and is in addition to another high water sensor that drives an onboard CZone alarm. The GOST gear was installed in Florida for hull #1's owner, and I'll bet it's an excellent system (#3 is getting similar), but I think it also speaks to a still-missing CZone capability as well as the changing role of boatbuilders.

Sabre likes to give owners as much latitude with their electronics choices as possible, but, of course, boatbuilders must provide electrical systems, and moving up to digital switching, automation, etc. is a big decision they have to make and execute (with help from selected suppliers like Power Products).

So while Dave Newcomb was looking forward to remote CZone access for troubleshooting in early 2016 and Tom Anderson is still waiting wistfully, and they both can envision the integrated offboat monitoring possible, that aspect of the Sabre 66 may remain fluid. Heck, Garmin or Volvo Penta may come up with their own systems, and Navico's GoFree Track is already designed for deep multi-input monitoring on boats without other Navico gear (and Anderson is ready to adapt a Faria Beede WatchDog system if a 66 owner desires).

The possibilities for rich monitoring and control with full remote access to a system as deep as this CZone install are huge, but I guess that also applies to the possible problems (and ditto for the Volvo Penta systems). What's already working well on the Sabre 66 is revolutionary for most of us boaters, which is why I'm hoping it's valuable to go into such detail.

Sabre_66_hull_1_engine_room_24v_panel_cPanbo.JPGThis breaker panel in 66 #1's engine room shows how ten OI modules, and thus a maximum of 60 CZone circuits, are powered from the 24v bank battery switch, while a few loads are separately controlled and several critical circuits are cabled directly to the battery bank, unswitched (but with inline fusing). Note that automatic float switch bilge pump operations are powered here, while the manual switching is done with a CZone OI, more belt and suspenders design.

Most of these panel loads are in the aft part of the boat, so long two-way cable runs to a Dirona style main panel are avoided. That saves weight and money, though maybe it also makes it easier to add more goodies. In Night Boarding mode, Hull #3 apparently draws 60 amps just in LED lighting, but I bet it looks spectacular.

Sabre_66_hull_1_CZone_AC_panels_cPanbo.jpgTo port are the fairly big CZone AC Interface panels, which use solenoid-driven physical contactors as opposed to the MOSFETS typically used for DC digital switching (early marine discussion here). There are also several green Mastervolt power modules installed -- 66 SE equipment list PDF here -- and of course they integrate well with sibling CZone.

Sabre_66_hull_1_fuel_transfer_detail_cPanbo.jpgHere's some detail of the fuel transfer system, which can be run with the iPad interface or with a CZone Touch 5 mounted just above this cleverly used frame. The 66 is set up to run on its wing tanks, which are typically refilled from the center tank, so often only the latter is involved in refueling. And the generators are asymmetrical, 13.5kW and 21.5kW Onans, figuring the big one appropriate for southern waters with large cooling demands.

Sabre_66_hull_1_tank_room_details_cPanbo.jpgAnd here's one more design detail, small but wicked smart. This is the gray and black water tank room and, by now, like an inquisitive owner or captain, you are probably getting a grip on this distributed power and digital switching concept (if it's still mysterious). Inset is the breaker panel supplying Output Interfaces, Signal Interfaces and other needs in this area of the yacht. (And, by the way, hull #4 will be simpler in this regard, as Sabre is installing the new CZone COI multifunction interfaces in lieu of numerous separate modules as I write.)

But notice the vent fan. It's programmed so that whenever the main battery bank is switched on, the fan will automatically come on in a preset cycle, 5 minutes on, 15 off. Except when the yacht is put in Onboard Overnight mode when the crew may have nearby sleeping cabin ports open, in which case the fan is suppressed for the next 8 hours.

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The dream of deeply integrated digital switching and monitoring is boats that are easy to operate even if you don't know what's going on under the hood (like most of our automobiles). That dream may apply less to big high-end system extravaganzas like the 66, but I suggest that Sabre seems to be closing in on it and also that at least many smaller future yachts will essentially be subsets of the design smarts we've seen here. The first 66 flybridge above is incomplete but even after the second MFD was installed (that day), and maybe some entertainment and other gear is added in Florida, it will still be a remarkably simple helm given all it can do.

Actually, Anderson and Jiricovic report that new 66 masters are usually a little dumbstruck at first. They're used to learning (and relearning) those big breaker panels, and they simply can't believe switching can be so simple. But they get used to it, and these long semi-sea-trial deliveries certainly prove that it can all work well, even right out of the shop.

If not for other commitments, Tom would have gone along on this Florida trip in case there were issues. But I watched on AIS as just David and his mate bit off big chunks of East Coast, mostly in daylight and with time for marina rest and refueling. Pocassett, New York, Hampton, Morehead (outside), Charleston, and a quick fuel stop at Canaveral before reaching Jupiter at little over six days out of Rockland. And it would have been quicker if not for unexpected Gulf Stream opposition and the need to replace a misinstalled alternator belt in Morehead.

That's what leaves me dumbstruck. How can Sabre assemble some 11,000 parts and pieces and yet have so little go wrong even when they're first put to the test (and when I can rarely arrange a small array of familiar boat systems to all work at the same time)? That's also why I left CZone out of this entry's title. While I think that CZone is excellent, I suspect that the realworld results of these systems is as much about the boatbuilder as the gear manufacturer.

And I'm pretty sure that there are some other very fine digital switching collaborations out there. Viking, for instance, has a long time relationship with Octoplex, and Viking does not mess around. There are other examples (and many more coming), but I've exhausted myself for now.

Except for one last thought on the controversial subject of exactly what a Downeast boat is. It is subjective, there is no standard, but I think Sabre is a bit humble to term the 66 a "Downeast-style motor yacht." I overheard some admiring comments from lobstermen as I prowled around the marina -- they don't mess around either -- and doesn't FB #1 hold her own even as background to the very squared away Calvin Beal 44 Jill Cayden?

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Comments

Beautifully executed installation.

Comment on contactors. DC contactors are susceptible to arcing. AC contactors are much less so.

I rebuild the contactors on our DC powered intermitent hydraulic pumps annually after one arced closed causing a not insignificant pump motor fire while offshore. The pump motors are located within an enclosure with good sound insulation so I never heard the pump motor running longer than I intended using a winch.

Posted by: Don Joyce at April 17, 2017 8:57 PM | Reply

Don, I don't know where I read this wry line, and I may be misquoting its author, but it still makes me wince:

"Cruising is what you get to do when you're not repairing pumps."

Posted by: Ben in reply to Don Joyce at April 17, 2017 10:24 PM | Reply

Incidentally, the dual radars on this Sabre 66 Fly Bridge are Garmin 4- and 6-foot solid state Fantoms, about which David Jirikovic says, "I REALLY like how they paint -- super clear."

Meanwhile, I don't know the owner of the Beal 44 but those dual Simrad open arrays were installed by the good folks at:

"http://www.midcoastmarine.com/

What's missing from their website is a photo of their shop, or better yet a video. It's a rehabbed gas station on Rockland's main street, now also sporting dual open array radars on its flat roof, which are rotating on good days. It's a hoot.

Posted by: Ben at April 18, 2017 1:41 PM | Reply

Good story on BEP/CZONE Mastervolt and Garmin I am installing these three brands a lot and they work really well together. The CZONE interface in the Garmin is as usually really easy to change and you can make your own user page almost with your eyes closed.

Sad that every story about an other brand than Simrad has to end up with a little Simrad flag, and then the big propaganda begins in the comments. Is Panbo getting sponsored by Simrad?
Yes I am a big fan of Garmin (in the big Raymarine Europe) only because of the simplicity and their user friendliness and it (almost never) breaks down yes off course there are some boat owners who have big issues and start replaying on my comment but you will never hear anybody with no problems.

Posted by: TCY at April 18, 2017 3:30 PM | Reply

What the hell are you talking about, TCY? Are you offended because I ended the story with a great looking lobster boat that happens to have Simrad gear on it? Well, I'm quite offended that you think advertising or sponsorship has anything to do with what I post.

It just does not work that way here, and it hasn't at the magazines I've work at for either. Nobody has told me what to write about. What's more, Panbo advertisers never bug me to do anything because they are advertisers. Never.

Now consider this: I try to cover what's going on with all four of the major brands that dominate at least saltwater electronics, three of which currently advertise on Panbo. They are Furuno, Raymarine, and Garmin (via both DeLorme and Fusion). Navico (Simrad, B&G, Lowrance, and GoFree) does NOT advertise here (though that would be welcome). So in your view, I guess I'm biased against Panbo advertisers? Wow!

Also consider this: Something I could have included at the end of this article is how Simrad was the first to support CZone, which they did well for quite a while before Garmin and then Furuno did similar. Simrad still supports CZone but now it's also doing very interesting integration with Naviops, described here:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2017/02/navico_hawks_2017_full_boat_integration_into_one_display_cluster.html

Any questions, TCY?

Posted by: Ben in reply to TCY at April 18, 2017 4:23 PM | Reply

I am concerned about the long term viability of a concept like this. What happens many years down the line when something fails or a boat owner wants to update the electronics? Will the proprietary software and components be available 10, 20, 30 years from now? Will the whole electrical switching system need to be replaced also?

Posted by: Norton Rider at April 19, 2017 9:44 AM | Reply

Agree with your comment, but I think you missed the word "not" in your statement that "Navico does advertise here".

Don't need to post this correction on the blog comments.

Posted by: Doug McEwen in reply to Ben at April 19, 2017 9:51 AM | Reply

That is a concern, Norton Rider. There was a scare about E-Plex in 2010 that led some distributors and owners to stockpile spare modules...

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2010/04/distributed_power_over_n2k_and_goodbye_e-plex.html

...but then again E-Plex survived: http://e-plex.co/

Frankly, I'd be more concerned about a completely custom digital switching system, especially if the supplier was under a much smaller roof than Power Products. One thought I had seeing two 66-foot boats with very similar systems more than year apart was how Sabre could and did expend significant engineering resources. I also witnessed can-do system knowledge literally passing and multiplying from hull to hull.

Moreover I'd take some comfort in what a risk this digital switching changeover is for a production or semi-custom boatbuilder. And Sabre is about as far from a fly-by-night startup as you'll find: http://sabreyachts.com/about

But I hear that the wait is now quite long for a Sabre 66 ;-)

(And thanks, Doug, the "NOT" missed in agitation has been inserted.)

Posted by: Ben in reply to Norton Rider at April 19, 2017 11:00 AM | Reply

I am curious, in addition to Day Cruising, what are the other modes.

Posted by: Dan Corcoran (b393capt) at April 19, 2017 11:40 AM | Reply

Dan, all seven are on the Modes screen I posted above, and also hires here:

http://www.panbo.com/assets_c/2017/04/Sabre_66_hull_3_Czone_iPad_mode_screen_cPanbo-15106.html

Posted by: Ben in reply to Dan Corcoran (b393capt) at April 19, 2017 5:14 PM | Reply

Norton, I would say there is some concern. You can also have compatibility problems with older systems as these evolve. For instance a module may get discontinued which will require programming and wiring changes to repair in the future instead of a plug and play repair. You also are adding power distribution to the list of time obsolete equipment on a vessel, much like helm electronics.
The bigger issue is having people trained to work on these systems. Eventually I assume more of the Electronics guys will have to familiarize them selves with power distribution and vice versa.
Given the complexity of modern boat systems, to some extent these systems are required but there will be more growing pains.

Posted by: Chris Collins at April 20, 2017 12:09 PM | Reply

Of course most marine engines have already gone a similar route, so the traditional mechanic needs to be more and more of a specialized technician aided by fast modern parts distribution systems. But the results are appealing in terms of efficiency, clean emissions, low noise and power per pound.

And ditto for some drive systems. Just after I got aboard Sabre 66 #3, they turned it around to more easily install the anchor and rode. It looked like the hardest part was switching over the fenders, thanks to the IPS drives, and most of the crew aboard just kept at their commissioning tasks, hardly looking up.

Posted by: Ben at April 21, 2017 7:44 AM | Reply

" All sorts of good marine electricians could troubleshoot an issue on a vessel set up like Dirona, for instance, but if something odd does go wrong with a 66, it may well take the network of Sabre and CZone techs to figure it out."

This is my concern. For those who travel far afield, dependence on a network of techs to resolve problems is very troubling. In many cases, even the likelihood of reliable back-and-forth e-mails is questionable while in remote places.

Will these networked boats end up being coastal cruisers, traveling marina to marina (not that there is anything wrong with that) where support is a phone call away?

Posted by: Gregory Yount at April 21, 2017 3:13 PM | Reply

Well, Gregory, my first real seagoing experience was in the early 70's, delivering brand new sailboats to the first Caribbean bareboat charter fleets. There were far fewer systems, but they failed far more frequently. (One particular model often suffered structural failures -- i.e. bulkheads detaching -- just getting from the factory in Florida to the BVI.) During many subsequent deliveries of not new boats, it was best to expect electronics to be broken or flaky.

Posted by: Ben at April 22, 2017 8:58 AM | Reply

Hi Ben - a tale from my past (not about a boat, unfortunately). Back in 1956 when I was 5, my dad built our house - and he ended up living there until 2007 without major changes, so he seems to have done a good job. Since he was an EE, he found a brand new lighting system he thought was really good - instead of wiring power from the fuse box out through the wall switches to the lights, it used a solenoid switch at the light fixture, with low-voltage wires running to the control switches on the wall and the power wires running directly to the lights. The wall switches were double-throw momentary - push the top and the solenoid pulled in and the light lit - push the bottom and it pulled out and the light went out. Those who've done electrical work can immediately recognize the advantage when you wanted lots of switches for each light! He also had a multiposition switch in his bedroom where he could turn any/every light on or off as needed.
Not every light was on the system, but all the ones in the larger living and kitchen areas were, including the outside flood lights.
When he bought the lights, he thoughtfully bought several extra solenoid assemblies plus switches and switchplates - he told me later he did it because he was thinking he might want to put in more of them. But it was a good thing, because when yours truly smashed a switch a few years later, and when a solenoid failed 10 years after that, he had parts - because the original manufacturer was long gone, and nothing similar was available & compatible with his system.

To my knowledge, the system is still installed and working (Dad sold the house & moved to Exeter in 2007), so it was a high-quality system - but not really maintainable any more.

Does that mean we shouldn't buy & use today's slick new power management systems? No - but we need to be attentive to the unique/proprietary components involved, and whether replacement parts are going to be available :)

Regarding contactors for DC loads - Don is 100% correct that DC contactors are much more susceptible to arcing. At some point (maybe it exists already and I haven't seen it?) a power MOSFET should exist for almost any application, replacing contactors.

Posted by: Hartley in reply to Ben at April 22, 2017 2:23 PM | Reply

A ferry hit a pier in the Canaries hard -- apparently "due to a widespread failure in the ship’s electrical system" -- a reader let me know:

http://thecanarynews.com/armas-ferry-strikes-las-palmas-harbour-wall/

Posted by: Ben at April 26, 2017 12:12 AM | Reply

Ben interesting on the Ferry. I saw that video on Twitter earlier this week. Actually when I saw it assumed either engine failure or controls failure. On most of the commercial vessels I have been on the engine and transmission controls (or Zdrive controls) are usually fed from two independent power sources in case of a failure. Which is interesting to note as electronics are involved with more and more of vessel operations.

Posted by: Chris Collins in reply to Ben at April 26, 2017 11:10 AM | Reply

Hartley,

I have yet to try them but there are some higher power MOFSET contractors out there.

For example:
http://www.perfectswitch.com/dc-solid-state-relays/relays/bi-directional-relays/

Posted by: Colin A at April 28, 2017 11:26 AM | Reply

Hi Colin, That's exactly what I would expect to see eventually replacing physical contactors everywhere for DC, including stuff like starters -- just as SCRs and triacs have done with AC. With sufficient transient protection, inrush current limiting and heat sinking, they should function for VERY long periods without worries, while electro-mechanical contactors will always eventually wear out.

I currently have a number of high-current relays onboard - two for the bilge pumps, two battery combiners, two in the starters and one in the windlass. While they are all working fine, I would prefer solid state :)

Posted by: Hartley in reply to Colin A at April 28, 2017 12:52 PM | Reply

Crydom makes 100A DC SSR's which are useful for lots of applications and I've used them throughout our boat; even for switching relays for the DC contactors for the winch motors. When 250A SSR's become available I'm definitely going to replace the "damned" contactors.

Posted by: Don Joyce at April 29, 2017 2:58 PM | Reply

Hey, I have been looking for 3-phase 150 amp SSRs to rebuild my main electrical panel.

Does anyone have recommendations for 3-phase SSRs capable of supporting 150A at 208/240V AC?

Posted by: Anonymous in reply to Don Joyce at May 1, 2017 12:03 PM | Reply

CZone news highlight: "Software Release 10...includes support for control of Dometic HVAC systems and Sea Recovery Watermakers. A user friendly Commissioning Wizard will also help guide installers through the commissioning process."

http://mailchi.mp/70c2717ee50b/welcome-to-the-new-look-czone?e=993bcbcc95

Posted by: Ben at May 2, 2017 7:39 PM | Reply

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