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Inexpensive LED navigation lights, Aqua Signal & especially Marinebeam

... written for Panbo by Ben Ellison and posted on May 6, 2014

old_Perko_filiment_nav_light_test_cPanbo.jpgAs much as I value LED lighting, I was hesitant to change Gizmo's navigation light fixtures. Why spend the (significant) money and refit time to save power when a big alternator is always running at the same time as the running lights? But I had already removed the boat's side light boards for refinishing last fall, and then I noticed that the cost of at least some LED nav lights has become quite reasonable. It was nearly an impulse buy when I put a pair of Aqua Signal Series 33 side lights in my Defender cart at $45 each. I'm not totally satisfied with the purchase, but I do expect the Aqua Signals to be a vast improvement over those old incandescent fixtures...

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My power testing shows that the old incandescent Perko fixture using 12 watts, or over an amp of 12v current, while the LED Aqua Signal comes in at about 2 watts or 0.17 amps, even though it's approved to meet the 2 nautical mile visibility and other requirements by about every authority possible (BSH, USCG, IMO COLREG, GL, RINA, ABYC A-16, and CE). Of course, that's why LED running lights are a no-brainer for sailboats. Possibly more important for powerboaters is the fact that these and other LED fixtures are completely sealed and claim a lifetime starting at 20,000 hours.

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A look inside the old running light reveals a typical but unreliable incandescent design. First there's the intrinsically delicate bulb whose filament must heat way up to work, and then there's the spring clips that have to deal with the heat and current in often damp atmospheric conditions. No wonder they often fail. This is also why LED bulb replacements are often a bad idea. You can get a Dr. LED festoon bulb that fits this fixture, but you'll still have the clip connection to worry about, and you also won't get maximum power efficiency (and maybe not 2nm visibility) because you're putting an entirely different lighting technology into a fixture it wasn't designed for. Besides, the replacement bulb costs almost as much as the entire sealed and purpose-built Aqua Signal 33 fixture! (I've also learned that LED interior fixtures are often a much better choice than bulb replacements.)

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But then I discovered Marinebeam's Navlight series of LED running lights. The stern light above did cost $89, as did the steaming light I also bought, but they're better than the Aqua Signal 33 design in at least two ways. An obvious difference is that good quality 8-foot 18AWG power lead, as compared to the pathetic 7-inch lead on the Aqua Signal fixture (and hat's off to West Marine for noting that specification when most other seller's don't). I'll be cursing Aqua Signal when I have to fit the splice to that little lead into a routed pocket on the back of Gizmo's light boards, and I also had a devil of a time getting the white trim piece off without damaging it.

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Meanwhile, the Marinebeam casing snaps on and off, no problem, and the 3nm rated stern light looked very bright in my lab while drawing just 0.11 amps of power. So far, I'm really impressed with the Marinebeam design and look forward to using them. In fact, I intend to run Gizmo's new set of LED nav lights even in daylight; I've always thought that had some safety value, particularly in fog, but was somewhat hesitant due to the short lifetime of those now silly-seeming filament bulbs.

Yes, it was a bit of a shopping spree, as a Navisafe 2nm Tricolor Navi Light seemed hard to pass up at Marinebeam discount. In the flesh the Navi Light seems as well designed and made as the company marketing suggests. Tapping the button let's you fire up all three sectors, or just any single one, or just the red and green sidelights. I'll probably use the latter mode on the bow of my rowing tender, leaving the magnetic plate fastened in place where it will automatically align the otherwise portable light, or maybe I'll fashion a pole so I can use all three lights at once without blinding myself. In either case, it will be a vast improvement over waving a flashlight around (even if that's legal). Marinebeam also offers a kit for legally lighting a small power boat, and I might add the adjustable strap that comes with a Navi Light means you could also wear it on your head...maybe at a beach party?

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Comments

Interesting, Ben - I just (last fall) completed the changeout of most of our lights to LED - by changing the bulbs, not the fixtures -- so we still have the specter of corrosion inside the fixtures. The only fixture I didn't change out is the Series 41 "Combi Light" steaming/foredeck light - which I will eventually get to, I suppose.

I see that Aqua Signal has a direct replacement for our Series 41 side/stern lights - but even Defender's price is a serious thump to the wallet - $200 apiece! For that, I think I'm willing to do an annual cleaning..:-) The replacement for our masthead Series 40 would appear to be their Series 34 - at $287, and doesn't include the strobe.
For the side lights, there would also be the problem of installing the power wiring, which goes through the pulpit/pushpit tubing, and would be a major PITA to replace - and a splice inside there isn't inspiring, either.

If I were starting from scratch, I would certainly spring for the extra reliability of the LED fixtures - but the marginal increase doesn't seem to be worth the substantial cost of replacements.

Meanwhile, I would be happy to pitch in a small contribution (say, the cost of a 6-pack?) for a picture of Ben wearing that all-round light at a suitable public gathering..:)

Posted by: Hartley at May 6, 2014 12:25 PM | Reply

For the people missing the boat on worrying about corrosion in the bulb contacts, I suggest using silicon grease on the metal contacts. LEDS seem to very resistant to vibration also.

Posted by: Bill at May 6, 2014 1:03 PM | Reply

Did you do any checking for RF noise? A lot of LED lights put out enough noise to effect VHF radios and low power FM stations.

Paul L

Posted by: Paul L at May 6, 2014 2:19 PM | Reply

Thanks for the Marinebeam tip Ben. Smells good and seems reasonable priced.

I'm in the process of re-wiring a bow pulpit and replacing the bi color ... snaking 16 gauge is giving me fits.

What is the gauge of the 8' Marinebeam wiring (can't locate this info on their site)?

Thanks

Posted by: Sparky at May 6, 2014 3:13 PM | Reply

Asked and answered. 18 AWG in the text and pics.

Posted by: Sparky at May 6, 2014 6:41 PM | Reply

I have a pair of Aqua Signal Series 32 side lights, now discontinued. Mine were made in October 2006 and there was evidently a Series 31 first generation LED before that. The improvements of the 33 over the 32 that I see are (1) the AWG 22 wires are now bundled in a cable and {2) there is an improved way to mount it, a mounting plate perhaps? Series 31 was just held on by one expansion screw. The other change is that Series 33 is now 12 V only, where Series 32 was 12/24 (plus or minus 20%). For those wanting 24 V, there is the high end Series 34. The odd thing is that Aqua Signal's 2014/2015 catalog ONLY lists the Series 34 and the online stores on this side of the pond only list the Series 33.

For sailboats, watch out for the new kid on the block. The new version of their masthead tri-color is very competitive.
http://www.lunasealighting.com/products/detail/ultra-light-led-navigation-light-fixture/led-navigation-fixtures-and-bulbs

Posted by: norse at May 7, 2014 1:02 PM | Reply

One thing to watch for on LED Nav light is a completely waterproof unit. I have had five units of OEM fail over five years in the tropic due to condensation shorting the LED's inside the units. Unit stay sealed for around 36 months. I have gone back to Aqua Signal 55's because it is easy to replace bulbs, clean contact than take out the whole unit to ship back to the states (from eastern Caribbean) wait for the warrant process, being without Nav lights for that period.

Posted by: byron at May 7, 2014 3:48 PM | Reply

Unrelated question, but are the Medusa Research Power Analyzer Pro units still available? Where and how much?

Posted by: Roy Miles at May 8, 2014 11:35 AM | Reply

Go Brighter And Save Power

Another benefit of LED's, if you choose to use LED replacement bulbs with higher light outputs than the original incandescent bulbs, is to obtain a much brighter lighting solution inside the boats and power savings.

Normally you cannot put brighter bulbs in a fixture, if the maximum wattage was already reached, but the exception is when you put a brighter bulb in with less wattage as happens with LED technology.

The good people at Marinebeam set me up with replacement fixtures all over the boat, but inside the Salon found a specific bulb that was 30% brighter that the originals built into the ceiling, and was still a 65% power consumption reduction for each bulb in the Salon.

Posted by: Dan Corcoran (b393capt) at May 8, 2014 3:03 PM | Reply

Roy, I don't know about the Medusa Research unit, but Powerwerx seems to have a similar unit - and the price is reasonable: http://www.powerwerx.com/digital-meters/dc-inline-watt-meter-power-analyzer-powerpoles.html

They also offer it without the Powerpoles, if you prefer..:-)

Posted by: Hartley in reply to Roy Miles at May 8, 2014 3:16 PM | Reply

Byron,
I think you mean OGM lights - the ones that have a flat lens and come with a stainless bracket? If so, I had the same experience. In fact, OGM replaced mine a few times and still the same condensation under the lens. Water in light fixtures is not a good combination. I find it very unfortunate because when new the OGM's had a bright, penetrating output that was great in fog. Still have them onboard, but will replace these very expensive navigation lights with another brand when they start to fail.

Posted by: Richard C in reply to byron at May 8, 2014 3:25 PM | Reply

I would like to pick up on Paul L's comment about electrical noise produced by some LED Navigation Lights. I was surprised that no one replied to this and I have been doing my own investigations after a report on the YBW forum of detrimental affects on AIS reception, when an LED Navigation Light was turned on.

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?391533-LED-masthead-lights-interfere-with-the-AIS-reception

Has anyone else experienced this, either on AIS, VHF or DSC reception ?

I will be posting the results of my tests next week.

Posted by: sumps.myopenid.com at May 8, 2014 7:38 PM | Reply

I am about to install a pair of the Series 33 sidelights, to replace the original Hella units that have a tendency to lose their covers in heavy weather. The guts then immediately turn to rust.

It would be nice if the manufacturers could agree on a hole spacing for lights, so that it is not necessary to drill into vertical SS mounting plates. I will use some pieces of Starboard to avoid this, but it will look like hell.

Now, if only the sailboat masthead/anchor lights didn't cost so much. The Lunasea units look very tempting - maybe when I have the mast down to replace the rigging...

Posted by: rxc at May 9, 2014 9:00 AM | Reply

Paul,
Yes you are correct on the manufacturer.

Posted by: Anonymous in reply to Richard C at May 9, 2014 10:56 AM | Reply

I just installed a Hella NaviLED Trio, to replace an AquaSignal LED Tricolour fixture. The Aquasignal Series 34 lamp's mounting is just not very sturdy. The problem is that big nut they use to fix the lamp to the base.
The Hella LEDs are really good, but are more expensive. K2W lights are also worth a look.

Posted by: Philipp at May 10, 2014 7:49 AM | Reply

Thanks, Phillip, but I'm confused about your Aqua Signal Series 34 critique. The 34 design seems to be the same physical design as the 33 Series and there is no nut involved. The backing plate and light are one sturdy polyamide part. I'm looking at a 33 with the cosmetic cover off and I can't imagine how it would come apart. You can see some detail of the back plate in this PDF:

http://www.aquasignal.com.au/wp-content/uploads/AquaSignal_Series34.pdf

The only difference between the 33 and 34 Series seems to be that the 34 can be used with 12 or 24 volts while the 33 is only 12v.

Folks worried about interfenence in nearby antennas -- which I don't think happens much anymore -- should note that West Marine claims that both the Aqua Signal 33 and 34 Series are "Tested and certified for electromagnetic interference."

But then again West specifies the Series 34 power lead as 39 inches while the PDF above describes it as the same cheap, undersized 200mm 22AWG lead seen on the Series 33.

Posted by: Ben in reply to Philipp at May 10, 2014 9:56 AM | Reply

Thank you, Hartley. I sent off for one this morning.

Posted by: Roy Miles in reply to Hartley at May 10, 2014 11:35 AM | Reply

Yes, thanks to Hartley for finding the Turnigy Power Analyzer. It looks good but note that the similar Watt's Up and Doc Wattson models are still available:

http://www.rc-electronics-usa.com/electrical-test-equipment.html

A neat thing about the Medusa I have is the USB port and analysis software, but the device not made anymore and I haven't used the PC output in quite a while anyway:

http://www.panbo.com/archives/2010/03/medusa_power_analyzer_pro_some_results.html

Posted by: Ben at May 10, 2014 12:01 PM | Reply

Regarding the question about the potential for RF noise on Marinebeam navigation lights: While a quick glance at the product info on the product page will answer that question, I will reiterate it here to answer the specific question.

The Marinebeam Navlight Series is not only conforming to the European general lighting Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) standards EN55022 and EN61547, but also the very comprehensive and specific IEC60945 standard, which specifically relates to electromagnetic immunity and compatibility with maritime navigation and radio-communication equipment and systems. Testing and certification under these standards confirms that the lamps are well below the thresholds for all of these standards, so RF noise is not an issue with these lamps.

Jeff Field
www.marinebeam.com

Posted by: Jeff Field at May 10, 2014 12:34 PM | Reply

Hi Ben - I think Phillip is actually referring to the Aqua Signal Series 34 masthead tri-color, which has what looks like a different construction. It looks a lot like the old Series 40 "Quick-fit", with a large threaded locking ring or nut to hold it down. Oddly, Aqua Signal's web page doesn't show them, but Defender's catalog does.

On the power analyzers, the units look very similar - and the very similar pricing seems to suggest them may all originate in the same factory in the Far East..:-) I took a look on eBay, and it seems you can buy something that looks similar for as little as $15, though there doesn't appear to be any sign of a warrantee at that price.
I also noted that there are USB current meters being sold there, too - just the ticket for seeing what your phone charger or iPad is really drawing - at 3 or 4 dollars, I might buy one just for fun.

Posted by: Hartley in reply to Ben at May 10, 2014 12:41 PM | Reply

Most of the MarineBeam LEDs I have bought had no noticeable RF. The exception to that are the MR16 replacement bulbs, that have a significant RF noise on both VHF and FM.

Paul L

Posted by: Paul L at May 13, 2014 11:00 AM | Reply

Recent testing that I have now completed of various LED Bulbs would support Paul L's comments.

In my tests a small number of LED Navigation lights/bulbs were found to potentially cause interference with AIS reception, if the cable to the light was run directly alongside the VHF antenna cable. The electrical noise was generated by the switch mode regulator in the LED Navigation bulb and we would recommend to all manufacturers of these lights to look closely at using lower frequency switch mode regulators and fitting suppression filters.

The noise was pre-dominantly radiated (through the air between the cables), rather than conducted (through the wiring) and routing the LED Navigation Light cable away from the VHF Antenna cable had the biggest positive affect on reception.

Differences were found between manufacturers and even between different LED Light models in the same manufacturer's range, so we would recommend checking an LED light before fitting them on a boat with an AIS system installed. This can be done by placing a coil of LED Light power cable alongside the AIS VHF antenna cable and checking if the RSSI figure increases or checking the number of AIS targets with the LED Light ON and then when you turn the LED Light OFF.

Best regards
PAUL SUMPNER (Digital Yacht)

Posted by: sumps.myopenid.com at May 14, 2014 3:48 AM | Reply

I finally installed the AS 33 sidelights, and they are very nice. It made me think of another opportunity for a creative electrical supply company to make money - invent a butt connector that joins 22ga wires to 14ga wires, is waterproof and secure when made up, and is easy to use when perched on the bow of a sailboat with a strong breeze blowing.

I can forsee lots of people replacing old incandescent fixtures with LED ones, and they will all have this problem. The existing wiring is rather large, to carry the current, and no one wants to have to replace the wiring. The new LED lights have tiny wires, because they don't need much current. The butt splices will be quite "exposed" to the seas and the weather. How to join the two together?

Yeah, it is easy to say "solder and shrinkwrap", and that may be possible inside the boat. What do you do at the top of the mast, or outside on the bow pulpit, where you need one hand to steady yourself, and don't have three extra hands available to hold the wiring to solder them?

I used some Scotchlok connectors, and wrapped them in butyl tape and then silicone self-amalgamating tape. It is ugly, but it works, and should be waterproof for a while, till the UV kills it.

Posted by: rxc at June 8, 2014 9:54 AM | Reply

...Or the LED light suppliers could just use 14ga leads...

Posted by: SaffyThePook at June 8, 2014 11:45 AM | Reply

Hi,

I just something like this: http://catalog.hella.com/catalog/product/view/id/202431/?___SID=U

It solderes, shrinks and seals in one step. Just use a heatgun. I often use my PyroPen for that. Works like a charm and are waterproof.

Posted by: Philipp at June 9, 2014 12:20 PM | Reply

Thanks, Philipp. I found something similar available here: http://goo.gl/Wht2fg

That page also links to a video showing how they're used. I didn't know about "Heat Shrink Solder Butt Connectors" but look effective. However, I'm not sure they're ABYC legal and they also don't take care of the mismatched wire gauge problem RXC wrote about.

Posted by: Ben at June 9, 2014 12:33 PM | Reply

Of course I am not sure about the ABYC requirements, but I think that since both wires get soldered together and the shrink tubing is flexible enough to accommodate both wire sizes it is a fairly good solution to the problem. Anything that crimps is not as flexible when it comes to different wire sizes.

Of course that does not fix the basic problem. I also think it would be better for manufacturers to use bigger gauge wire. What they use is just too small for any decent installation. Those small wires are sensitive and hard to come by in a "usable" state, like double insulated types and such.

Posted by: Philipp at June 9, 2014 12:56 PM | Reply

I have tried to use the solder tubes. Home Depot sells them, and I thought they might be useful, but when I tried to use them to reconnect my SSB antenna wire, It took several tries to get it to work. Someday you should try to use a heat gun while standing on top of a stern arch, holding two wires together inside a vinyl tube. The wires were the same size, but it was quite awkward. Especially with the wind blowing enough to defeat the heat gun.

I thought about them for the lights, but I didn't have enough hands to make it work.

Posted by: rxc at June 9, 2014 5:55 PM | Reply

Is there a good solution for rail mounting the Marinebeam bi-color bow light and the stern light? I currently have the Aqua-Signal Series 25 lights which have a very nicely integrated rail mounting system. Is there any possibility that the Marinebeam lights fit in the Aqua-Signal rail mounting system?

Thanks!

Eric

Posted by: Eric at June 10, 2014 2:30 PM | Reply

Practical Sailor did RF interference measurements on interior LED light fittings in a recent issue. Noise is still an issue for some products. Presumably masthead lamps for sailboats will need extremely scrupulous attention to noise emissions, being immediately proximate to VHF antennas as they so frequently are. Probably a good idea to test on the ground w/a handheld VHF regardless of manufacturer claims; samples can vary.

Handhelds make great informal testing tools for spurious emissions. Find a weak weather broadcast, bring the antenna into proximity w/fixture(also try this with chartplotters and other stuff at nav station-- you might be unpleasantly surprised).

Posted by: Doug Bostrom at July 24, 2014 1:51 PM | Reply

Update to my earlier post:

I corresponded with Nathan at Marinebeam - they currently offer a bracket for mast mounting but nothing yet for rail mounting. I compared the MarineBeam dimensioned drawings against the AquaSignal Series 25 rail mounting bracket - while the light housing have similar shapes, the sizes are sufficiently different that it does not look like the MarineBeam light can use the AquaSignal mount.

Eric

Posted by: Eric in reply to Eric at September 30, 2014 3:33 PM | Reply

I'm about to replace the Hella 2984 series naav lights on Barbara with LED fixtures. I am tired of coming in from sea on a dirty night and finding that one of my lights is out -- either the bulb gone or corrosion. One advantagge is that the same size unit will give me a 3-mile light instead of 2.

I just wish that they were bolt-in compatible instead of requiring new scerw holes. I think Hella missed the boat here in not providing an easy upgrade path.

Posted by: Michael at October 2, 2014 4:08 AM | Reply

Hi Ben Ellison

My name is Carmen Regalado, Sales Manager at Perko

Working navigation lights are essential to our safety at sea and Perko's commitment to safety is well known and respected. We have been manufacturing the incandescent 0170 Series (the one in your picture)lights for over 30 years. They are sold worldwide. Our records indicate that less than 20 of our 0170 series lights have failed in the field in the past 6 years. Note that there are over 70 individual lights in the 0170 Series, which is used on commercial working boats and government patrol boats in addition to recreational boats. Part of the reason the 0170 Series incandescent lights perform well is that, like all Perko lights, they are made in America using quality components. In addition, we gold plate the contacts of our lights, something no one else does.

You are comparing our 0170 Series incandescent light to a LED light made by another manufacturer. Please note that the 0170 series is also available with LED light engines. There are many reasons why someone would still choose an incandescent light. These include a much lower initial cost, the ease of replacing individual component parts in the event of a failure from damage, corrosion or simply age, and the fact that most boaters rarely use their boats at night.

Also note that navigation lights are certified with specific bulbs. Changing a bulb to a different brand or light source (e.g. incandescent bulb to LED bulb) will, in nearly every case, void the certification and result in a light whose performance characteristics are unknown. As a safety device, that is something we never recommend.

Perko has been involved in lighting for vessels for over 100 years. If you check our website we offer more than incandescent lights. You will find LED lights of all shapes and sizes, certified to meet USCG regulations.

Best regards,

Posted by: Carmen Regalado at October 17, 2014 3:50 PM | Reply

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