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B&G Triton, all-in-one N2K instrument & pilot keypad

Sep 6, 2011
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When I hinted last week that the new Raymarine i70 all-in-one NMEA 2000 instrument would soon have a new competitor, I honestly didn't realize that the B&G Triton would be announced today (with at least the Australian release online already). The Triton T41 sports a 4.1-inch color display under a 4.6-inch square bezel while the i70 has a 4-inch screen in a 4.53-inch high by 4.3-inch wide case. And I'll bet the Triton is also LED backlit as it too claims wide viewing angles along with a power range of just 50-150 milliamps, which seems similar to Ray's claimed 135ma "typical" usage. You'd almost think that Navico and Raymarine were looking over each other's shoulders!...

Also like Raymarine, B&G is being more aggressive about multi-manufacturer compatibility over a NMEA 2000 (or SimNet) data network, claiming that the Triton T41 "interfaces with B&G and Simrad Yachting Wind, Speed, Depth and Heading Sensors, as well as data sources from other manufacturers." In fact, it uses Micro-C (aka DeviceNet, aka N2K standard) connectors on the back instead of SimNet ports, which we also saw on the new NSS multifunction display series. A good trend, I think (though the T41 still won't qualify for NMEA certification because of the daisy chaining "elephant".)
   I'm not sure I've ever seen an instrument screen that graphically shows apparent and true wind angles like the one at top, and the timer screen below looks good too, but we'll know more about Triton screen possibilities when B&G updates its Web site (maybe today, I'm told). However, I already know enough about the companion Triton Pilot Controller (from the U.S. press release) to think that it's a great idea...

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What B&G has designed is a 2.3-inch by 4.5-inch keypad that tees onto an N2K or SimNet backbone to control B&G or Simrad autopilots (actually the release is not specific about which pilots, but no control heads I know of are multi-manfacturer interoperable). The Triton T41 can serve as the display portion of the pilot head -- which means it will accommodate situations where the ideal hand and eye positions are different -- but the keypad can also be used near a Simrad NSO/NSE/NSS or B&G Zeus MFD, all of which can serve as pilot heads by themselves.
   I like this for two reasons. While I'm pretty happy to use an NSE12 as a pilot head, as I described last summer, it does sometimes take more key taps than I like to change pilot settings if I've used another window on the machine. Plus neither the NSE 10 nor the AP 28 head at the lower station have dedicated 10 degree dodge keys -- great for lobster trap bouy avoidance -- like this Triton keypad does. I don't know how it was decided that dodge keys are for sailors and steering knobs for powerboat drivers, because I like both. And it looks like I can have both now.
   The Triton T41 has a $599 MSRP, the Pilot Remote $299, and both are supposed to ship in January. I'm looking forward to seeing both B&G's and Raymarine's new instrument and pilot options in the flesh at the Newport Boat Show next week.

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Comments

I haven't seen a spec on the Triton's brightness, but have just heard that it's 800 nits, which is 100 more than Raymarine's i70 (or the Furuno RD33). Does that make Triton the new "king of all-in-ones" -- as the Navico source suggests? Maybe, but there are lots of details to a thoroughly satisfying do-anything display. I thinks it's great that so many are vying for the throne.

Posted by: Ben Author Profile Page at September 6, 2011 4:00 PM | Reply

It's time for Garmin to introduce a touchscreen menu system IN PLAIN ENGLISH (or Dutch) to lead us Sixty-somethings through the features, functions and controls of these instruments.

That said, B&Gs wind display is muy bueno.

Posted by: Sandy Daugherty Author Profile Page at September 6, 2011 6:55 PM | Reply

This display looks nice: I prefer the graphic to the i70 graphic from your other post.

We currently use Maretron DSM250's, and we're pretty happy with them. What and how they display is very customisable, and the extra 40% of screen size (5.7" vs 4.1") I find very useful, especially when you want multiple info on one screen. I don't know what the brightness of the Maretron displays are (they're not listed in "nits" in the spec), but they seem bright enough for us. Does anyone else know what the spec is?

I'd love to see a comparison of all these displays, so hopefully you'll look at that in future.

Also, I get the feeling from people's general comments to previous posts that a lot of people don't seem to regard the Maretron displays as "real contenders" in this field. Is there any particular reason why? Is that feeling erroneous on my part? Or is there an element of brand snobbishness coming through in some of the comments.

As I said, we've had 3 DSM250's now for almost 2 years, and they work very well for us. I'd be interested in other's opinions.

Cheers,
Paul.

Posted by: Taniwha Author Profile Page at September 7, 2011 2:42 AM | Reply

I use a DSM250 quite a lot, Paul, and it will do some things none of the others can, as I wrote about here: http://goo.gl/Jbq1o

But the DSM is sort of in a class by itself by dint of size and cost, and I think it's beginning to look a little stodgy as the smaller screens get low power LED backlighting and highly designed screens. Maretron doesn't list a nits value for the 250 but I'd guess it doesn't quite reach the 700 nits claimed for i70 and RD33 (which is also odd sized), let alone the 800 claimed for Triton. I did try to compare all the all-in-ones when the RD-33 was announced but couldn't fill some blanks: http://goo.gl/9U43E

Posted by: Ben Author Profile Page in reply to Taniwha at September 7, 2011 9:25 AM | Reply

Just a historical comment:

The new B&G Triton is not the first digital display to be able to display both True AND Apparent wind angles ( plus other data). As you may remember the NX2,Nexus,Direction and even before that the thousand series instruments from Silva could display True, Apparent, Performance Boost trends, Mark True Wind direction and display two lines of data beginning way back in 1981.

Without a doubt the B&G Triton has all the attributes we need today dressed in a really nice display. I still have the old NEXUS instruments in the cockpit but maybe its time for a change. Since the rest of our boat is dedicated to Garmin electronics I might just wait to see what the next generation of GMI-10 looks like. Hopefully Garmin will have the simultaneous,True, Apparent wind page and an ambient light sensor.

Posted by: Richard C Author Profile Page at September 8, 2011 7:05 AM | Reply

One feature that I would really like is maximum wind and wind gust. I imagine a half-round gauge with different colors of pointer for gust, 1 hr peak wind, 8 hr peak wind and 24 hr peak. It should have a reasonable scale like 0-40 knots. (The Airmar software makes the mistake of having too large of a fixed range so the difference between 10 and 20 knots is not easily discernable.)

I could use that right now as I am getting 13 knots of wind on a night predicted for light wind. It would be nice to be able to see what that wind gust was without having to rush to the pilothouse to see it.

My IS-20s have a graph but it is for a very short time. Here again I use my computer with nobeltec, which has a graph (although the implementation of the graph is less than ideal with various scaling problems.)

Posted by: George at September 14, 2011 11:43 PM | Reply

I just attended the Auckland boat show, and the Furuno/Navico distributer ( http://www.enl.co.nz ) said that the Triton will be available 1 November in NZ. I really liked the looks and functionality, and have changed my plans to purchase Furuno FI-50x's instruments in favour of waiting on the Triton's..

Posted by: svfinnishline Author Profile Page at September 16, 2011 12:43 AM | Reply

B&G now has Triton details up online:

http://www.bandg.com/Products/Triton/

Posted by: Ben Author Profile Page at September 20, 2011 4:43 PM | Reply

A question about the pilot remote:
"... to control B&G or Simrad autopilots (actually the release is not specific about which pilots"
Does the press release specifically say that it also works with Simrad autopilot computers (such as the AC12 even if it doesn't mention the specific product)?
At a current boat show I was told that it will not in all likelyhood work with any Simrad pilot as there is a new B & G pilot to be released soon.
The T41s on display would not respond to any of my key presses (so were dummies more or less) and there is no information to be had about which values/PGNs and handled or how the T41 display reacts when buttons are pressed on the pilot remote (briefly show the course set, mode and rudder angle, then switch back to the previous display?)
On the positive side they were prefectly legible even at a very small angle. And the price is the same or less than a Simrad IS20 display while the T41 can probably show the same amount of data as two IS20s can. And I have never seen a simultaneous apparent wind and true wind angle display.
What are the chances that that I can get my hands on two each of these in time for next season?

Posted by: Henning Author Profile Page at November 3, 2011 1:08 PM | Reply

I was told by a B&G rep that the pilot is based on the current Simrad computers and would control them by both Simnet and NMEA2000. They will be available in January.

Posted by: Mark at November 3, 2011 1:18 PM | Reply

I too was told that the B&G Triton autopilot pad would control current Simrad pilots. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Simrad branded versions of the pad and display. Simrad didn't confirm that, but smiled when I asked.

Posted by: Ben Author Profile Page in reply to Henning at November 3, 2011 8:01 PM | Reply

I received word from B&G a couple weeks ago that their shipping of the pilot controller has slipped from January to early-February. I just received another email saying that the early-Feb date has slipped to mid-March. I suspect that such an early warning means that mid-March may be tentative and optimistic also.

Posted by: Mark at December 16, 2011 12:53 PM | Reply

B&G has just informed me that none of their Triton gear will be shipping until mid-April. Sigh. I hope we aren't the early adopter pioneers with the arrows in our back.

Posted by: Mark at January 12, 2012 8:30 AM | Reply

I am also waiting for this spoke to them at London show and they said it is shipping in limited numbers now but full availability will be early next month

it was on several boats at the show so that sounds reasonable

Posted by: Pete at January 13, 2012 7:18 AM | Reply

Pete, did you see it on those boats at the show? How does seeing it in person compare to the picture at the top ?

Posted by: Dan Corcoran (b393capt) Author Profile Page at January 13, 2012 3:12 PM | Reply

All the Triton documentation is now up at the B&G website - owners, installation manuals etc.

http://www.bandg.com/Products/Triton/T41-Display/Downloads/

Posted by: michael at February 6, 2012 5:42 PM | Reply

Thank you for the link to the documents.
I have read through all three but am still missing some hard facts. Can you save money and space by using the Triton pilot controller in place of an autopilot control head such as an AP24?
The Triton instrument can display up to nine pieces of information but if the autopilot is engaged, apparently, at least one complete instrument is dedicated to pilot information and is therefore lost for other vital information like depth. There does not appear to be a provision to give away two data fields to display the pilot mode (S, A, NFU, N, W) and the set heading and the remaining data fields being available for other data.
It does not say if, where and how you declare one of (in many cases) several Triton instruments to be the AP control instrument (the one that changes to AP data if the AP is engaged). What if you don't make this setting and engage the AP, such as via a Simrad or B&G MFD? What if you engage the AP via the Triton pilot controller?
As it stands, I must assume that it takes the combination of a Triton pilot controller and a Triton instrument to replace an AP24 and there is certainly no value in that.

Posted by: Henning Author Profile Page at February 10, 2012 1:13 PM | Reply

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